Youth Pastor Theologian
Youth Pastor Theologian believes that youth ministry is theological ministry. That’s why each episode features a conversation at the intersection of youth ministry and theological reflection. We want to help youth workers make disciples who endure and offer practical advice about what that type of ministry looks like. Cohosted by Mike McGarry and John Gardner, each episode is filled with decades of youth ministry experience and plenty of laugher. Visit youthpastortheologian.com to learn more about YPT and how to bring Mike and John to your church.
Episodes
9 hours ago
106: What NOT to do in your first year
9 hours ago
9 hours ago
In this episode, Mike McGarry and John Gardner discuss essential advice for first-time youth workers, each focusing on five key things to avoid in youth ministry. The conversation provides practical insights and encouragement for new youth leaders navigating their roles.
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Mike McGarry is the Founder and Director of Youth Pastor Theologian and served as a youth pastor for nearly twenty years. He's written four books for youth workers and teenagers, his latest is releasing in August '25, Iconic: Being God's Image in Your World. Follow Mike on Instagram or X/Twitter.
John Gardner is the Pastor of Youth Ministries at Grace Church in Longmont, CO. John and his wife Jackie have been married for 15 years and love spending time trying out new food, exploring the national parks, and playing board games. Follow John on Instagram.
Together, Mike and John co-lead the YPT Teaching Workshop, a one day training session to equip your volunteers and other area youth leaders to teach the Bible to teenagers with depth and clarity. GO HERE to learn more about how to host a workshop at your church.
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Tuesday Jun 03, 2025
105: Youth Ministry as Catechesis & the YPT Curriculum!
Tuesday Jun 03, 2025
Tuesday Jun 03, 2025
In this episode of the Youth Pastor Theologian podcast, Mike McGarry and John Gardner explore the significance of catechesis in youth ministry, emphasizing its relational nature and the importance of intentional discipleship. They discuss the need for a structured approach to teaching that considers the different stages of spiritual maturity among youth. Ultimately, they advocate for a return to historical practices of catechesis as a means to effectively disciple the next generation.
Chapters
1:00 - What do we mean by discipleship?
6:50 - The Role of Catechesis in Youth Ministry
12:30 - Components of Effective Discipleship
17:01 - Challenges and Misconceptions in Discipleship
18:58 - The Nature of Catechesis
21:06 - Understanding Different Stages of Catechesis
23:39 - Cultural Sensitivity in Youth Ministry
25:26 - Intentional Discipleship in Youth Ministry
27:21 - The YPT Curriculum!
36:32 - Learning from Historical Practices
Recommended Books:
A Biblical Theology of Youth Ministry, by Mike McGarry
Grounded in the Gospel: Building Believers the Old-Fashioned Way, by JI Packer & Gary Parrett
The New City Catechism
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Send your question to Mike and John for the podcast here, and make sure to tell us you've left a rating/review to get bumped to the top of the list.
Mike McGarry is the Founder and Director of Youth Pastor Theologian and served as a youth pastor for nearly twenty years. He's written four books for youth workers and teenagers, his latest is releasing in August '25, Iconic: Being God's Image in Your World. Follow Mike on Instagram or X/Twitter.
John Gardner is the Pastor of Youth Ministries at Grace Church in Longmont, CO. John and his wife Jackie have been married for 15 years and love spending time trying out new food, exploring the national parks, and playing board games. Follow John on Instagram.
Together, Mike and John co-lead the YPT Teaching Workshop, a one day training session to equip your volunteers and other area youth leaders to teach the Bible to teenagers with depth and clarity. GO HERE to learn more about how to host a workshop at your church.
Join YPT's Facebook group: @youththeologian (make sure you answer the membership questions)
Follow YPT on Twitter: @youththeologian
Follow YPT on Instagram: @youththeologian
Subscribe to YPT's website to receive our newest articles and updates sent directly to your inbox. We won't spam you, but you will receive a link to download our ebook for free... Youth Ministry is Theological Ministry is a collection of articles from the blog archives to help new YPT readers catch the vision for theological renewal in youth ministry.
Tuesday May 27, 2025
104: Asking Good Questions, Chat GPT, Engaging Students with Scripture
Tuesday May 27, 2025
Tuesday May 27, 2025
In this episode, Mike McGarry and John Gardner discuss the intersection of youth ministry and theology, focusing on the importance of asking good questions that engage students in meaningful conversations. Discussing good and bad questions leads into a conversation about whether or not youth workers should use ChatGPT. The discussion also highlights the need for youth to engage with scripture outside of church settings.
Chapters
1:00 - The Importance of Asking Good Questions
5:49 - Asking Bad Questions
11:09 - Crafting Effective Questions
16:04 - Building Trust Through Questions
20:45 - Understanding Cognitive Dissonance in Youth Ministry
21:28 - The Role of AI in Asking Good Questions
23:18 - Debating the Use of ChatGPT in Ministry
30:04 - Our Spiritual Responsibility to Teach
33:33 - Engaging Youth with Scripture Outside of Church
Send your question to Mike and John for the podcast here, and make sure to tell us you've left a rating/review to get bumped to the top of the list.
Mike McGarry is the Founder and Director of Youth Pastor Theologian and served as a youth pastor for nearly twenty years. He's written four books for youth workers and teenagers, his latest is releasing in August '25, Iconic: Being God's Image in Your World. Follow Mike on Instagram or X/Twitter.
John Gardner is the Pastor of Youth Ministries at Grace Church in Longmont, CO. John and his wife Jackie have been married for 15 years and love spending time trying out new food, exploring the national parks, and playing board games. Follow John on Instagram.
Together, Mike and John co-lead the YPT Teaching Workshop, a one day training session to equip your volunteers and other area youth leaders to teach the Bible to teenagers with depth and clarity. GO HERE to learn more about how to host a workshop at your church.
Join YPT's Facebook group: @youththeologian (make sure you answer the membership questions)
Follow YPT on Twitter: @youththeologian
Follow YPT on Instagram: @youththeologian
Subscribe to YPT's website to receive our newest articles and updates sent directly to your inbox. We won't spam you, but you will receive a link to download our ebook for free... Youth Ministry is Theological Ministry is a collection of articles from the blog archives to help new YPT readers catch the vision for theological renewal in youth ministry.
Tuesday May 20, 2025
103: Student Leadership, Book Recommendations, & Time Wasters
Tuesday May 20, 2025
Tuesday May 20, 2025
In this episode of the Youth Pastor Theologian Podcast, hosts Mike McGarry and John Gardner explore the concept of student leadership within youth ministry. They discuss whether all students should be considered leaders, the importance of defining leadership, and how personality traits influence leadership roles. The conversation also touches on empowering students, cultural misunderstandings of leadership, and the significance of recognizing natural leadership qualities. They also share their recommendations for non-youth ministry books that youth pastors would benefit from reading before closing with a listener-question about ways youth pastors are tempted to mis-use their time.
Send your question to Mike and John for the podcast here, and make sure to tell us you've left a rating/review to get bumped to the top of the list.
Mike McGarry is the Founder and Director of Youth Pastor Theologian and served as a youth pastor for nearly twenty years. He's written four books for youth workers and teenagers, his latest is releasing in August '25, Iconic: Being God's Image in Your World. Follow Mike on Instagram or X/Twitter.
John Gardner is the Pastor of Youth Ministries at Grace Church in Longmont, CO. John and his wife Jackie have been married for 15 years and love spending time trying out new food, exploring the national parks, and playing board games. Follow John on Instagram.
Together, Mike and John co-lead the YPT Teaching Workshop, a one day training session to equip your volunteers and other area youth leaders to teach the Bible to teenagers with depth and clarity. GO HERE to learn more about how to host a workshop at your church.
Join YPT's Facebook group: @youththeologian (make sure you answer the membership questions)
Follow YPT on Twitter: @youththeologian
Follow YPT on Instagram: @youththeologian
Subscribe to YPT's website to receive our newest articles and updates sent directly to your inbox. We won't spam you, but you will receive a link to download our ebook for free... Youth Ministry is Theological Ministry is a collection of articles from the blog archives to help new YPT readers catch the vision for theological renewal in youth ministry.
Tuesday May 13, 2025
102: Missions Trips & Discouraged Youth Pastors
Tuesday May 13, 2025
Tuesday May 13, 2025
In this episode, Mike McGarry and John Gardner explore the intersection of youth ministry and theology, focusing on the role of missions trips. They discuss the theological implications of these trips, critiques of short-term missions, and share personal experiences—both positive and negative while emphasizing the importance of gospel-centered missions. They also discuss the reality and challenge of discouragement in youth ministry. Finally, they promote the YPT Teaching Workshop as a great way to equipping youth leaders (paid and volunteers).
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Chapters
3:07 - The Role of Missions Trips in Youth Ministry
5:57 - Critiques of Short-Term Missions
9:00 - Theological Foundations for Missions
11:56 - Positive and Negative Experiences in Missions
18:08 - Effective Missions Practices
23:56 - Encouragement for Discouraged Youth Pastors
30:01 - Conclusion and Teaching Workshop Promotion
Mike McGarry is the Founder and Director of Youth Pastor Theologian and served as a youth pastor for nearly twenty years. He's written four books for youth workers and teenagers, his latest is releasing in August '25, Iconic: Being God's Image in Your World. Follow Mike on Instagram or X/Twitter.
John Gardner is the Pastor of Youth Ministries at Grace Church in Longmont, CO. John and his wife Jackie have been married for 15 years and love spending time trying out new food, exploring the national parks, and playing board games. Follow John on Instagram.
Together, Mike and John co-lead the YPT Teaching Workshop, a one day training session to equip your volunteers and other area youth leaders to teach the Bible to teenagers with depth and clarity. GO HERE to learn more about how to host a workshop at your church.
Join YPT's Facebook group: @youththeologian (make sure you answer the membership questions)
Follow YPT on Twitter: @youththeologian
Follow YPT on Instagram: @youththeologian
Subscribe to YPT's website to receive our newest articles and updates sent directly to your inbox. We won't spam you, but you will receive a link to download our ebook for free... Youth Ministry is Theological Ministry is a collection of articles from the blog archives to help new YPT readers catch the vision for theological renewal in youth ministry.
Tuesday May 06, 2025
Tuesday May 06, 2025
In this episode of the Youth Pastor Theologian podcast, hosts Mike McGarry and John Gardner introduce the new format of the show, focusing on their journeys into youth ministry. They discuss their unexpected paths into youth ministry, the importance of theological depth, why they each pursues a D.Min., and how they integrate their spouses into their ministry roles.
Send your question to Mike and John for the podcast here, and make sure to tell us you've left a rating/review to get bumped to the top of the list.
Chapters
0:00 - Introduction to the New Podcast Format
3:00 - Journey into Youth Ministry: John Gardner's Story
5:45 - Mike McGarry's Unexpected Path to Youth Ministry
12:00 - The Development of Youth Pastor Theologian
17:00 - The Importance of Theological Depth in Youth Ministry
24:00 - Integrating Spouses into Youth Ministry
Mike McGarry is the Founder and Director of Youth Pastor Theologian and served as a youth pastor for nearly twenty years. He's written four books for youth workers and teenagers, his latest is releasing in August '25, Iconic: Being God's Image in Your World. Follow Mike on Instagram or X/Twitter.
John Gardner is the Pastor of Youth Ministries at Grace Church in Longmont, CO. John and his wife Jackie have been married for 15 years and love spending time trying out new food, exploring the national parks, and playing board games. Follow John on Instagram.
Join YPT's Facebook group: @youththeologian (make sure you answer the membership questions)
Follow YPT on Twitter: @youththeologian
Follow YPT on Instagram: @youththeologian
Subscribe to YPT's website to receive our newest articles and updates sent directly to your inbox. We won't spam you, but you will receive a link to download our ebook for free... Youth Ministry is Theological Ministry is a collection of articles from the blog archives to help new YPT readers catch the vision for theological renewal in youth ministry.
Tuesday Apr 15, 2025
100: Revisiting "What is a Youth Pastor Theologian" (Engle, Hartman, Tufano)
Tuesday Apr 15, 2025
Tuesday Apr 15, 2025
In this celebratory 100th episode of the Youth Pastor Theologian podcast, host Mike McGarry and guests Nick Hartman, Jason Engle, and Alex Tufano reflect on their experiences in youth ministry, the importance of theological depth, and memorable podcast episodes. They discuss the significance of the Youth Pastor Theologian identity, the need for practical theology, and the positive trends emerging in youth ministry today.
Discussion Includes:
What does being a youth pastor theologian mean to you, practically speaking. How has that vision shaped your own ministry?
What are some of the positive trends you’ve seen happening in youth ministry today?
What are some ongoing concerns and needs that you’ve seen, and how do you think YPT could help?
Jason, Nick, and Alex ask Mike a few questions, too...
Favorite Podcasts Mentioned Include:
Jason Engle: ep.76: Calling Youth to a God-Centered Faith, with Richard Ross
Nick Hartman: ep.77: Disciplemaking with Teen Boys, with Jonathan Denton
Alex Tufano: ep.29: Evangelism and Discipleship, with Greg Stier
Mike McGarry: ep.89: Theology of Eating Together, with Seth Stewart
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Tuesday Apr 08, 2025
99: Equipping Youth to Live with Wisdom (Rich Griffith)
Tuesday Apr 08, 2025
Tuesday Apr 08, 2025
In this conversation, Mike talks with Rich Griffith about the importance of guiding our youth to live with wisdom and discernment, and encouraging them to live with godly courage.
Conversation includes:
How can we help our youth grow in biblical wisdom and to live with courage to live accordingly. Why is that so important to you as you raise your own boys and minister to youth?
When you talk about the “voices” students are prone to listen to, where are those voices coming from?
What do you think teenagers wish they could say to the adults in their lives?
Why do you believe leadership development is an important aspect of discipleship?
Where do we see “discipleship as leadership” in Scripture? Can you point to a few examples?
Rich Griffith is an Associate Professor of Youth Ministries at Toccoa Falls College in Georgia and the author of Voices: Helping Our Children and Youth Listen to Wise Counsel and most recently, Discipleship is Leadership. We’ll be talking about helping youth grow in wisdom.
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Tuesday Apr 01, 2025
98: Building a Culture of Question-Asking in Youth Ministry (Valerie O'Brien)
Tuesday Apr 01, 2025
Tuesday Apr 01, 2025
Teenagers are full of questions. The big question, is who are they discussing those questions with?! It can be a challenge to cultivate a ministry culture where students feel the freedom to ask their questions without being afraid of getting belittled or receiving cheap answers. In this conversation, Valerie O'Brien discusses her approach to inviting youth to ask their questions, and how she equips youth leaders to respond.
Could you share a little about Aspen, and especially about your 10,000 question project?
What are some of the most common questions you’ve received?
What can we learn about our students by listening carefully to the questions they’re asking?
What’s the anatomy of a good question? How can youth leaders start to ask better questions in order to open up meaningful conversations?
What do we risk by being so answer-driven that students don’t ask their questions?
How do we help students ask their questions and lead them to find answers without either spoon-feeding them or leading them into an endless cycle of question upon question?
Valerie O’Brien has over 12 years of experience in youth ministry, has trained youth workers through Sonlife Ministries, and now leads Aspen, a ministry that helps youth leaders engage the heart of the next generation.
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Tuesday Mar 25, 2025
97: Jesus is Worth It (Chris Morphew)
Tuesday Mar 25, 2025
Tuesday Mar 25, 2025
Can Jesus really make a positive difference in your life? What about when being a Christian puts you at odds with the values of your friends and with society in general? Is following Jesus worth it?
This episode is a conversation with Chris Morphew about his new book, "Worth It: Following Jesus When Life Feels Complicated", which highlights the truth that however good you think the good news of Jesus is, it’s better.
Conversation Includes:
What are some challenges Christian youth face that motivated you to write your book?
In the book you say that discovering they are loved is the most important discovery of all. What do you mean by that?
One of the most common objections I’ve come across is suffering and God’s judgment. But you say that God’s judgment actually gives hope in the midst of a world of brokenness and suffering. Could you elaborate on that?
Bonhoeffer famously talks about “the cost of discipleship.” What would you say is the cost of discipleship for Aussie youth in a very post-Christian culture?
In general, why do you think it’s important that we establish a ministry culture that makes space for doubt? When students are doubting, how do we support them with wisdom and patience and mercy without enabling them to remain in doubt?
Any final encouragements for youth workers about ministering to youth who are living with uncertainty and doubt?
Chris Morphew is an author, teacher, and school chaplain living in Sydney, Australia. He’s the author of the Big Questions series, as well as over 20 novels for children and youth.
View (and buy!) Worth It! and Chris's other books
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Theology... in youth ministry?!
Theology and youth ministry don't tend to go together. But they should. Students are asking hard questions and they're growing up in a culture where living as a Christian makes you an outcast. We need more than easy answers and lots of fun if we're going to make lifelong disciples.